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[VIDEO] The Strength of Mentorship for Nonprofit Professionals

One of the best ways to grow and develop as a professional is through mentorship, either seeking out a mentor for yourself or serving as one for a colleague. In this webinar, Lisa M. Chmiola, CFRE and Dave Tinker, CFRE, FAFP will discuss finding and establishing these important relationships, and how to cultivate them to maximize success and impact in your work.

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Steven Shattuck: All right, Lisa. Dave is ok if I go ahead and get started. Officially here. Yeah.

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Steven Shattuck: Absolutely. All right. Awesome. Well, good afternoon, everybody. Good morning. If you’re on the West Coast, I should say. And if you’re watching the recording. I hope you’re having a good day.

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Steven Shattuck: No matter where you are, when you are. We are here to talk about mentorship. The strength of mentoring for nonprofit professionals. I love this topic. I’ve been excited about this one for a long time.

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Steven Shattuck: Welcome. I’m so glad to have you all here. I’m Stephen over here at boomerang and I’ll be moderating today’s

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Steven Shattuck: Chat, as always. And just a couple of quick housekeeping items. I just want to let you all know that we are recording

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Steven Shattuck: And we’ll be sending out the recording and the slides later on this afternoon. So if you have to leave early or, you know, maybe you missed something, you are share with a friend.

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Steven Shattuck: Maybe a toddler interrupts you. I understand. Don’t worry, we’ll get all that good stuff to you later on today, but most importantly

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Steven Shattuck: As you’re listening. We’d love to hear from you. I know a lot of you already chatted in. That’s awesome. We’d love to hear from you. We’re going to save some time at the end for Q AMP a

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Steven Shattuck: So don’t be shy. Don’t sit on those hands will try to get to as many questions as we can.

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Steven Shattuck: Before the, the three o’clock eastern hour, you can do that on Twitter that got three Twitter people right here. I mean, this is great. So we’re used to it. So send us a tweet, before, after, during if not before it’s too late for before but

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Steven Shattuck: You know what I mean, we’d love to hear from you is what I’m trying to say. If this is your first boomerang webinar. Welcome. We love doing these webinars we do them.

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Steven Shattuck: Just about every Thursday, sometimes more, more often than that. If you’re on this one you’re going to get invited

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Steven Shattuck: To all future sessions until you tell me to stop. So you’re in, you’re in a good place.

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Steven Shattuck: But if you’ve never heard a boomerang beyond the webinars. What, what we’re most known for is our donor management software. So if you’re interested in that, check us out, you know, you can visit our website we’re pretty easy to find. There’s lots of videos there. You can watch

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Steven Shattuck: So if you’re interested in that. Don’t do that right now at least wait an hour because GOT TO MY FAVORITES HERE.

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Steven Shattuck: Wow, I’m so excited for this one. This is like a dream team. My buddy Lisa and Dave Lisa New Orleans Dave here in Pittsburgh. How you doing, you’re doing okay everybody doing good.

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Lisa Chmiola: Yeah. Yeah, that’s right.

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Steven Shattuck: That’s right. That’s why I do it on Thursdays, because we get to say that it’s great. Wow. This is fun to have you. This is like a dynamic duo

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Steven Shattuck: You know, in a normal year, I would have seen you all a bunch of times. But we’ll have to, we’ll have to make do with the webinar if you all don’t know we send Dave

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Steven Shattuck: You’re going to want to know, after the session, check out Lisa over at fat fab land therapy.

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Steven Shattuck: She has been a good buddy of mine. She’s also been contributing some really awesome advice to the boomerang blog so check that out with send a link to that.

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Steven Shattuck: Really, really nice advice there she’s been doing this for almost 20 years

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Steven Shattuck: knows her stuff. Dave check him out. He’s a VP of advancement over at achiever. He also helps out a goal busters which is a really awesome agency as well.

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Steven Shattuck: And is doing really cool stuff. I got to sit on a case study presentation of his I think last year on

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Steven Shattuck: Some of the fundraising that the Tree of Life synagogue has been doing and some other volunteer stuff that he’s been up to.

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Steven Shattuck: Also a ton of years of experience. One thing I look forward, my guesses, you know, they’ve been in your shoes. So I’m gonna pipe down. I’ve already used up way too much of their time. You guys don’t want to hear from me. So, Lisa. I’m going to stop sharing

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Steven Shattuck: And let you bring up

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Steven Shattuck: Your beautiful slides here. We’ll see my

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Steven Shattuck: Second starting to work. Okay.

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Steven Shattuck: Go for it.

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Lisa Chmiola: Well, and we we are glad to be here today as Stephen said, you know, briefly introduce Dave and myself. But just to give you a little background on us. We wouldn’t be here today. If it wasn’t for

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Lisa Chmiola: Mentorship itself. So Dave, who has been involved in AFP for a bit longer than I have.

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Lisa Chmiola: Reached out to me about 10 years ago and offered to mentor me he was attending the AFP conference, I believe it was in Chicago that year.

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Lisa Chmiola: I did not have the chance to attend it that year, I was stuck at home, having some photo.

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Lisa Chmiola: And watching all the fund that was going on, had attended a few conferences, but had never presented

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Lisa Chmiola: And so when the call for proposals came up very shortly afterwards he reached out to me and said, Hey, would you be interested. There’s an initiative where previous presenters are encouraged to

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Lisa Chmiola: Pair up with a person who is not presented before and I said, absolutely. So Dave and I worked completely remotely and did not meet in person until about three days before our presentation in Vancouver that following year. So mentorship via WebEx via social media.

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Lisa Chmiola: calls, emails chats everything. So what more appropriate time, the right in the middle of National Mentoring Month to be able to give you today’s presentation.

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Lisa Chmiola: We will talk a little bit about what mentorship is will highlight some benefits for both the mentor and the mentee.

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Lisa Chmiola: Talk some about how and where to find a mentor for both some formal and informal ways to do that, how you can make the best of a mentorship relationship, no matter which side you’re on.

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Lisa Chmiola: We will touch on some changes that we’ve seen in the mentoring relationships, due to the pandemic.

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Lisa Chmiola: And also cover. If you need a mentor a coach or both to maximize your professional development.

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Lisa Chmiola: And we are going to be sharing a lot of articles and books additional resources.

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Lisa Chmiola: Don’t worry about copying all that down as Stephen said you’ll not only have an opportunity to see the slides afterwards. But on the final slide you’ll see there will be a link on my website philanthropy com

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Lisa Chmiola: Where you can go and get all the hyperlinks to the books and the articles that we cover.

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Dave Tinker: So one of the things we want to start off with was a quote. It’s one of my favorite quotes and what we have loved others will love and we’ll teach them how

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Dave Tinker: And this is Williams Wordsworth from the prelude it’s one of those things that, you know, as in when you look at it from the mentoring point of view, you know, we do what we love, especially in nonprofit and fundraising.

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Dave Tinker: And, you know, typically, you know, we want others to love what we do and we want to share. We’re almost always really willing to share with others and we’re going to teach them how because we’re going to show them the right way.

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Dave Tinker: You know, this is a quote that you know I was first introduced to by Paul. Paul proven out from Osbourne college you know he has a regular

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Dave Tinker: Newsletter called the Reflective Practitioner and you always started off with this quote, and I just feel like it’s been, you know, very powerful for at least me and hopefully for you too.

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Dave Tinker: So what is mentorship and mentorship can be a lot of things. A couple key things that you know it can be. I mean, obviously it’s somebody that has some knowledge that’s sharing it with somebody that wants to learn that knowledge.

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Dave Tinker: And not always they don’t always want to learn it, but you know it’s it, but it’s something that you do want to do

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Dave Tinker: You know mentorship can be a lot of things. I’ve had a number of mentors and I’ve had a number of mentees. A couple of the key people that have been mentors in my life.

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Dave Tinker: From teaching, you know, because I am an adjunct and I have been for the past decade in a graduate program was doing Perry who’s passed away.

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Dave Tinker: But he was always very helpful in guiding me along giving me pointers it very informally, but it was a way to do that. And then I’ve had a little more formal type of mentors.

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Dave Tinker: My first mentor is Bob Thompson, who is the CEO of catching fundraising Council more than 30 years ago now.

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Dave Tinker: And Bob was somebody who really guided me towards the fundraising career and encouraged me

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Dave Tinker: Gently to do stuff, but he would bring me along and talk to me and check in every so often to see. I was going, and he was always

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Dave Tinker: A knowledge base that I can always ask questions and he gave me materials like I have books and other things that he used to share with me all the time.

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Dave Tinker: And a key mentor. I’ve had as Lydia Wagner Loja is somebody that I worked with and so

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Dave Tinker: She used to take me to meetings so I could meet people. And it wasn’t just meetings with donors, but then she took me to my first HP international conference, more than 25 years ago.

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Dave Tinker: And she introduced me to all these leaders and I had met some through my graduate program. But then I got to meet many more. And I still get to see some of them at meetings when we can meet in person.

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Dave Tinker: But she’s somebody who throughout the past 25 years is still my mentor. I still consider my mentor we reach out

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Dave Tinker: You know, it went from being a more formal type of thing, because I was working with her to more of a friendship. You know, we were each other’s dog sitters.

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Dave Tinker: And we still send cards. And actually, when my one of my daughters is actually named after her. And that’s how much she’s meant to me in my career and in my life. So there’s lots of different things in between and mentoring can be a lot of different things, right.

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Lisa Chmiola: And so, Dave and I will both share some examples of how we have either benefited from a mentor or served as a mentor ourselves I were fortunate enough to also have a case study to share with you. You see the

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Lisa Chmiola: The holiday card there over to the side and that came from our good friend, Beth and lock, who is a fellow AFP she is a consultant and the card was sent to her by her mentee Laura Cleveland.

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Lisa Chmiola: And they were both formally matched through their AFP chapters program in 2018 through the Greater Vancouver chapter

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Lisa Chmiola: They were matched for one year to be mentor and mentee. They had such a wonderful experience that they have continued their relationship to this day.

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Lisa Chmiola: And so to give you a little bit of their backstory and we’ll share a little bit about the benefits that they have seen from their relationship as well.

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Lisa Chmiola: Laura said she had joined the mentorship program, hoping to find perspective from more experienced fundraiser being fairly new to the industry.

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Lisa Chmiola: And fan had joined because she had hoped to have had a similar experience like that early in her career she didn’t really have an opportunity for that.

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Lisa Chmiola: Early on, but during the mid part of her career she had a boss who had served as a fabulous mentor to her. And so she wanted to join the mentor program in her chapter and pay it forward.

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Lisa Chmiola: And Laura was one of several mentees that she’s worked with through her chapter

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Lisa Chmiola: And coming into the program. Laura said she wanted to learn more about fundraising. In general, but specifically on major gifts and leadership given her role.

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Lisa Chmiola: And then Beth and said she wanted to not only share her experiences and mentor and that expertise but also hope to learn a little bit more about what her mentee was learning and experiencing throughout her role.

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Lisa Chmiola: So to start off with the mentee and talking about benefits that you would experience through a mentorship relationship, you’ll have an opportunity to gain valuable advice your mentor can give

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Lisa Chmiola: Lots of insight. They can serve as a sounding board.

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Lisa Chmiola: A lot of times they’ve often been in your shoes and through the same situations and they could offer advice on how they may have handled it and it might be some different perspective that you would have considered

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Lisa Chmiola: For me, when I was working in educational fundraising. I had an opportunity when I worked in a university to be mentored by the director of planned giving and I learned a lot about gift planning principles from him.

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Lisa Chmiola: Especially the concept of the more that you can get a donor to visualize the impact that their plan gift will make when they are no longer here to actually see the impact

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Lisa Chmiola: And to document that then they may actually be inspired to increase their current giving

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Lisa Chmiola: I took that knowledge with me to another organization where I served as the Director of planned giving and working with a donor to document what she wanted to create out of her estate as an endowed scholarship

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Lisa Chmiola: She was so excited about the impact that when she had an opportunity and received a cash windfall

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Lisa Chmiola: She decided to go ahead and fund the endowment so that she’d had the opportunity to meet a scholarship recipient while she was still living.

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Lisa Chmiola: So that advice that I had been given from a mentor. I was able to put that into action and and make an impact. And then we had students receiving scholarships. So that was fantastic.

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Lisa Chmiola: Being a mentee. You’ll also have an opportunity to develop your skills, knowledge and skills and that will come either from your mentor teaching concept to you, or perhaps suggesting resources to you.

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Lisa Chmiola: So again, back to the situation where I was being mentored to learn plan giving early in that

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Lisa Chmiola: Phase of my career, my mentor had suggested that I joined the local council of the National Association of charitable gift planners that provided me much basic information on planned giving and it’s actually led to now I serve in leadership roles with the organization.

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Lisa Chmiola: Being a mentee you’ll have an opportunity to improve your communication skills.

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Lisa Chmiola: Both you and your mentor are going to learn to communicate with somebody who has different styles than you, you may have to communicate in different ways than you’re used to. And so this will not only help you

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Lisa Chmiola: At work with your colleagues, it will help you be a better communicator with your donors. It can even help you in your personal life.

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Lisa Chmiola: And it also offers you an opportunity to learn a new perspective again, a different way of thinking and how somebody may approach something differently than you. That could end up being a real benefit.

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Lisa Chmiola: When you are a mentee and being mentored you will have a great opportunity to build your network.

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Lisa Chmiola: You’ll not only get to learn your mentor. You’ll also have an opportunity, perhaps to meet

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Lisa Chmiola: Their colleagues and their mentors and kind of, you know, like David said you with Lilia taking him to the conference and introducing him to

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Lisa Chmiola: All sorts of different professionals and then even you’ll at times you’ll experience that you may ask your mentor or something.

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Lisa Chmiola: And they may have a knowledge limit of what they know and so they could potentially connect you with somebody in their network that knows something further

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Lisa Chmiola: So let’s say I was in a mentor situation and I had a mentee come to me on a certain type of plan to give the perhaps I hadn’t dealt with before.

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Lisa Chmiola: I have a great mentor Kent Weimer he’s at the Parkland Hospital foundation in Dallas and he’s a past Chair of the national charitable gift planners.

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Lisa Chmiola: He is my plan giving mentor currently because he has dealt with a variety of complex plan gifs over 20 plus years in that specific part of the industry.

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Lisa Chmiola: So if I had someone come to me with a complicated type of gift that I may not have personally dealt with before. I might bring Kent into the situation. So then that would expand the network for my mentee as well.

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Lisa Chmiola: And then advancing your career by raising your hand and showing that you’re interested in learning more and growing. This will help you stay focused and stay on track in your career, you’ll receive valuable advice skills development networking and so much more.

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Lisa Chmiola: So for Laura when we asked her what she saw the benefits of mentorship. She felt that not only did she gained a mentor.

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Lisa Chmiola: And opportunity to learn more about fundraising and to continue to grow in that way, but she and Beth and became friends just like David said, and and just like Dave and I have become over the past decade.

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Lisa Chmiola: The more that you get to know somebody and truly develop that relationship, you get to share the highs and lows. It’s, it’s just a wonderful opportunity.

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Lisa Chmiola: And she also said she’s received some helpful constructive feedback and even as far as compensation matters and negotiating that she’s found very much helpful.

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Lisa Chmiola: For the mentor, there are benefits for you as well serving in this relationship.

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Lisa Chmiola: This is an opportunity for you to build your leadership skills. If you’re seeking management opportunities in your organization, perhaps in a volunteer organization. This is an opportunity for you to

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Lisa Chmiola: provide guidance to learn that new skill set to help your mentee learn, but not necessarily tell them exactly what to do.

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Lisa Chmiola: It’s another opportunity to do what we do so well with donors is to practice that active listening skill and so it does tie into you also have the opportunity, just like your mentee to improve your communication skills and learn new perspectives.

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Lisa Chmiola: This will also give you an opportunity to advance your career, especially again if you’re trying to move into management or leadership at your organization.

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Lisa Chmiola: It shows that you have initiative, it shows that you’re willing to go above and beyond your job description to help benefit your industry and your organization.

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Lisa Chmiola: And quite frankly, I feel like this is one of my favorite benefits as having served as a mentor myself is that gain of personal satisfaction.

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Lisa Chmiola: Knowing that you have contributed to someone’s growth and development seeing your mentee success as a result of your input and your partnership is so rewarding.

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Lisa Chmiola: And that is actually one of the rewards of Beth and said that she’s experienced as well, serving as a mentor.

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Lisa Chmiola: But not only has she benefited by seeing that personal satisfaction from Laura’s growth. She felt that, in turn, Laura had a lot of great advice and insights back for her.

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Lisa Chmiola: Not only when she was a fundraiser within an organization. But now that she is working as a consultant, just to take that growth and that strength and to take Laura’s advice back to her.

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Dave Tinker: So another quote that we came across that we wanted to share as mentoring is a critical part of personal growth and development.

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Dave Tinker: And it’s important to remember as a mentor that it actually, you know, part of what you should be doing. You should be sharing the information that you have learned

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Dave Tinker: And sharing it with the next generation or next group of people who want to learn ethical fundraising or best practices and nonprofit management and this is just a quote that reflects on that.

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Lisa Chmiola: So we’ve talked some about the benefits and how being a mentor or mentee helps to continue to grow our, our industry and our career.

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Lisa Chmiola: How do you find that good mentor. First, you really need to do a little bit of homework, sit back and think about what you want out of your career. What are your career goals. Where do you want to go.

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Lisa Chmiola: Maybe think about who has your dream job and. Would that person be open to serving as a mentor for you.

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Lisa Chmiola: Likewise, if you’re a more seasoned professional perhaps seeking out newer colleagues to the industry.

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Lisa Chmiola: Maybe even those who have followed a similar path in as you so that you could offer that guidance.

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Lisa Chmiola: And that actually is how when I was in graduate school. I chose kind of in reverse. I chose my mentor for my thesis, because she had a similar path into the industry as me.

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Lisa Chmiola: She originally was a print journalist and then moved into public relations.

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Lisa Chmiola: And then moved into fundraising and development work. And that was my exact career path. So I sought her out to be my mentor, because I thought she would have a lot to offer in putting together my studies and she certainly dead.

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Dave Tinker: And if I could add. You know, sometimes the mentor, it will always traditionally think it’s somebody that’s older the mentor can be somebody that younger than you.

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Dave Tinker: I’ve had a mentee. That was older than me. I’m not gonna say I’m a years but a couple, but I had knowledge that she wanted to learn more about and I was more than happy to help. And I got the one from her to at the same time.

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Lisa Chmiola: So lately.

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Lisa Chmiola: Next you want to reflect on if you are ready for a mentorship relationship you truly want to know your why are you willing to work hard.

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Lisa Chmiola: Be flexible are you open to feedback and criticism, are you respectful, in order to succeed in this relationship, you want to be actively building your skills and looking to advance and grow in your career.

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Lisa Chmiola: So as far as looking for a mentor informally, we would encourage you to look within your network.

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Lisa Chmiola: Again, thinking back to if you’re approaching someone who has a dream job. Maybe there’s someone in your network that’s already connected to them.

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Lisa Chmiola: But even if not go ahead and do your research, we really think that the donor process here what we do when we’re preparing a prospect list.

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Lisa Chmiola: To solicit for funds for our organization you creating that list of people who might be good mentors or mentees

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Lisa Chmiola: Preparing for the ask doing your research. If it is somebody that you don’t have a relationship with you might set up an informational interview with them just even to find out if they would be a good candidate for a mentor or mentee with you.

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Lisa Chmiola: And it may take several conversations don’t think that you’re just going to walk up to the person immediately and say hi. Would you be my mentor you want to really get to know them and find out if the relationship is the right fit for both of you.

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Lisa Chmiola: On the formal side, there are a lot of organizations that do run formal mentorship programs we highlighted the Greater Vancouver chapter of AFP a lot of other AFP chapters.

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Lisa Chmiola: Across the country and around the world have their own mentorship programs other professional associations do run mentorship programs.

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Lisa Chmiola: Sometimes organizations will run them within and they’ll match up employees that are more experienced with those that are less experienced

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Lisa Chmiola: Or even go working through educational opportunities. I know the Rice University Center for philanthropy and nonprofit leadership.

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Lisa Chmiola: As part of some of their courses in leadership and in fund development. They offer the opportunity for the students to be paired up with a mentor to help them work on their program.

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Lisa Chmiola: And we’d be remiss if we didn’t point out there is a deadline tomorrow for two formal programs that are being run by AFP global

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Lisa Chmiola: Both for the Emerging Leaders Program as well as the women’s impact initiative. And so in the links at the end we have a link to an article from Mike Geiger, the CEO of HP global

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Dave Tinker: So one of the quotes that we had. We came across for mentees was this great one. You know, we are what our great mentors have taught us. And this is from lelay Akita

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Dave Tinker: Who was a woman at founded choosing younger professional founded a nonprofit but you know it’s you’re gathering things from the mentors who

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Dave Tinker: Are providing information that you want to learn and you have to remember, you know that information that you’re getting in addition to the stuff you’re learning on your own, is what helps you go forward.

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Dave Tinker: So you know how to be a good mentee. And there’s a lot of different things. But the first thing that you need to remember is that your mentees a volunteer.

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Dave Tinker: A mentee is somebody that is doing this in addition to their work in addition to their own life. In addition to their board service and other committees that they might be on

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Dave Tinker: So you need to remember that you know you need to take some responsibility for your own learning as well as a mentee going into things, you know, it’s not just what the

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Dave Tinker: Mentor is going to tell you, but maybe you come across materials, whether it’s a book or a webinar or a class.

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Dave Tinker: That you want to learn more about, but you need to do some work on your own. In addition to working with a mentor to get the best out of it and get as much as you can.

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Dave Tinker: To help you reach and achieve the goal that you’re trying to reach through the mentoring program. One of the things you really should do is develop trust and Lisa talked about that a little bit. But, you know, Patrick, Len Sione who wrote five Habits or five dysfunctions of a team.

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Dave Tinker: You know, the, the baseline thing that was missing in this functional teams was trust we need trust, just like the donors need to trust us.

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Dave Tinker: Before they’re willing to make a gift. You need to start trust each other. One of the things that I do when I first meet with mentees is I tell them, you know, even though we likely know a lot of people in common.

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Dave Tinker: Whether it’s somebody that’s in my region or somebody that we’re doing it virtually

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Dave Tinker: And have trust and what they say to me, and I’m going to keep it in confidence and hopefully that’s the same with them that the mentee will also keep stuff in confidence.

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Dave Tinker: From what the mentor shares, but it’s very important that you build that trust so that that relationship grows both professionally and possibly personally

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Dave Tinker: You need to be respectful of time. Again, you know, both of you have time and you’re both carving out time out of your schedules to do some more professional development, which is a lot what mentoring is

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Dave Tinker: But you want to make sure that you know you’re not late for meetings, you don’t cancel a lot, but you’re able to attend to things that you say you’re going to do and be responsible for them.

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Dave Tinker: And then set relax realistic expectations, you’re not going to go from being an intern to CEO and a six month mentorship.

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Dave Tinker: You’re going to need to take time to learn things and be realistic about what it is that you that you can get out of it. I mean sometimes you can put a lot of time into it. But sometimes, you know, if you meet once a month there’s you know that’s not quite the same.

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Dave Tinker: So good men continued being good mentee. You know, when you go to meetings with your mentor go in with a prepared agenda with things you want to discuss

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Dave Tinker: Make sure that they align with the goals that you have your career goals and the goals of the mentoring program that you want to get out of it.

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Dave Tinker: And it takes a little bit of time just to prepare. But that will keep you on track and help build up your mentoring.

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Dave Tinker: Be open about your needs and PA and provide feedback. Again, this is communication.

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Dave Tinker: Make sure that you know you’re sharing and communicating what your needs are and what you’re what you want to try to get out of it.

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Dave Tinker: And if it’s going great provide that feedback, but if it’s not going the way you want, provide that feedback to

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Dave Tinker: If it’s a formal mentoring program through an association. Hopefully that they’re asking you, you know, is it going. Okay, is it not, do you need to be rematch with somebody else or is this going great. And you can continue on.

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Dave Tinker: But make sure to to that you’re providing feedback. So, you know, if you’re reaching goals or not recognize your mentors limitations.

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Dave Tinker: That’s important because if you’re trying to learn things that are specific

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Dave Tinker: You know you want to learn a lot more about special events in fundraising, but you’re talking to somebody that’s your mentor that does prospect research, they might not know as much about special events.

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Dave Tinker: And that might not be the best fit for just that part of it, but they can teach you lots of other things.

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Dave Tinker: And that’s, that’s important. But remember, you need to remember that there are limitations to things stretch. This is something I tell students a lot

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Dave Tinker: But the more you get, the more you do with a little bit of risk you do new things.

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Dave Tinker: The, the better you’re going to feel with the outcome. I mean, yeah, there’s a little bit of risk. So sometimes you learn that that’s not the right solution.

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Dave Tinker: But oftentimes, when you do get out of your comfort zone you that’s when you start really learning a lot more

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Dave Tinker: It reminds me of an article and those were preparing this an article that I read from Diana Nelson Jones from the post Pittsburgh Post Gazette back when newspapers were a daily thing in print, but

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Dave Tinker: She is a columnist and in Pittsburgh has 90 distinct neighborhoods in the city, and she was writing an article about each week about a different neighborhood.

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Dave Tinker: And so that forced her to get out of the rut of going into the office, the same route every day because you build a routine. You do the same things, you start to not notice changes around you.

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Dave Tinker: Because you’re paying attention. You kind of just focus on okay I got from point A to point B. I got from home to the office.

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Dave Tinker: And you forget the stuff that you saw around you. But by doing things that are different or going about it in a different way. You start to pay attention again to what’s around you, and you notice you get

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Dave Tinker: And maybe you get lost in a neighborhood and your GPS isn’t working correctly because you don’t have a strong cell signal and you can’t get out. But you find your way out eventually.

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Dave Tinker: And you do and but when you do you feel a great sense of relief, but you also have learned how to do that. So,

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Dave Tinker: Stretching is an important part of learning and it should be important part of mentoring and being a good mentee.

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Dave Tinker: And again, be flexible, you know, things change you. You might go into, into the mentoring project or program.

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Dave Tinker: Thinking, I’m going to learn X, Y, and Z and your mentor comes back and says nope. We’re going to do something different. And this is what I want to show you how to

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Dave Tinker: How to do it and how to do major gifts this way instead

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Dave Tinker: You know plans changed when you learn more, you know, you realize that you didn’t know what you didn’t know, and so there might be new things that it might be more exciting to you.

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Dave Tinker: You know, when I was a new fundraiser. I never would have said ethics was a hot topic for me. I can’t get enough of ethics right now.

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Dave Tinker: In front, whether it’s in fundraising and now it’s other things too. And it’s, you know, just, I’m in a point in my career that that’s important to me right now.

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Dave Tinker: You know 10 years from now when I’m still in fundraising, which I will be, it’s going to be something else, I’m sure. But right now, that’s the hot thing for me.

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Dave Tinker: And so, be flexible be, you know, be willing to change. I mean, nothing’s written in stone. When it comes to mentoring. So, be willing to go around them.

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Lisa Chmiola: And if I hadn’t been exposed to plan, giving and had been mentored by somebody and introduced to those concepts I might not be focusing on that my career. Now,

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Dave Tinker: And there’s ways to make the most of the mentoring program. This comes from an article from The Guardian that we thought was, was pretty spot on.

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Dave Tinker: You know, make sure you choose the right mentor you know is that the person that you’re supposed to be.

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Dave Tinker: You know that has the skill set that you’re trying to learn and is able to do it, not just because they’re successful because they can be successful.

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Dave Tinker: And be a really bad mentor, because they don’t like teaching or don’t know how to teach the skills you want somebody that’s both successful in has the capability of providing that skill set. Learning that you need.

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Dave Tinker: Again, be open and flexible things change. So you need to make sure that you’re you’re comfortable doing that. And again, you’re going to be doing things outside of your comfort zone. So you need to be open to them.

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Dave Tinker: Identify what the goals are. If you don’t identify your goals. You can’t measure whether or not, something’s been successful.

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Dave Tinker: You know, avoid therapy. This is, you know, you want to try to keep things professional and it’s very easy to go and when you especially when you start building the relationship and become friends.

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Dave Tinker: And more friendly thing. It’s easy to go in and just complain about. Okay, this is what the CEO said this week. This is what the board or the Development Committee Chair wants me to do now.

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Dave Tinker: Those sorts of even have weighed that because it’s then it just turns into an hour long, this is what this person said, and I’m upset.

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Dave Tinker: That’s not what mentoring is about. Yes. You’re supposed to listen to, maybe you can do that another time, but you want to try to keep on track and keep focused so that you reach your goal.

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Dave Tinker: Share your networks. This is important than least talked a little bit about this. I mentioned that Loja took me to

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Dave Tinker: The AFP international conference, she took me to meetings with donors and corporate leaders and foundation leaders.

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Dave Tinker: At when I was an intern. So I had that relationship. And I still do. And I’ve had it for a long time now because of that.

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Dave Tinker: But it’s important that you especially if that mentee is somebody that you work with, or is one of your volunteers because it’s natural that they can attend, things like that.

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Dave Tinker: Or if you’re going to meetings. I mean, if you’re mentoring somebody if we’re both going to an Association meeting I make sure that I sit by them.

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Dave Tinker: And I go and talk to them and introduce them to people that they might not otherwise know that I know that are at that meeting or at that conference.

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Dave Tinker: But one of the things, too, is not just for the mentors to share, but the mentees can share who they know and it gives you a better understanding who the mentees are

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Dave Tinker: One woman that I mentored for a couple of years. She used to take me to an event that she ran it was a

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Dave Tinker: Celebrity chef type of dinner sort of thing. And I got to meet some of her co workers and understand things. Well, one of the co workers.

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Dave Tinker: Also, did it was active in HP and had a different mentor, but because I got to meet her through my mentee. I ended up hiring her for a job. I had

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Dave Tinker: And I went out and recruited her because she was somebody I knew I could do the skill set, I wouldn’t have known her if I didn’t have that mentee introduced me to her.

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Dave Tinker: And then ultimately, listen, this goes for both sides, though. Listen to the mentor and listen to the mentee like you’re listening to your donor.

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Dave Tinker: As fundraisers. That’s probably the best skill set, you could ever learn is to be an active and engaging listener.

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Dave Tinker: And, you know, make sure that you understand what the mentees trying to tell you, and the mentee needs to make sure that they understand what the mentor is trying to tell you, and it works great when you become really strong listeners.

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Lisa Chmiola: A lot of us have found within the past year that we’re often mentoring people or serving as a mentee beyond our geographic boundaries. Well traditionally mentors tended to come from your community.

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Lisa Chmiola: Now with everything becoming so much more virtual that opens up opportunities to have a mentor across the country or around the world.

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Lisa Chmiola: Make sure that you are finding ways to cultivate that relationship connect between meetings, you know, in addition to having the opportunity to talk about what you want to gain out of the mentorship.

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Lisa Chmiola: You know, are there ways that you can stay in touch in between, you know, kind of like was Dave and I developed our relationship we stayed in touch on social media and saw what was going on in each other’s lives and we’re able to ask those type of things.

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Lisa Chmiola: Or even communicating outside of that you have sending notes, sending an article that might be of interest to the mentor or mentee.

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Lisa Chmiola: And we had the example at the beginning of the beautiful note that Laura had sent to Beth and for the holidays so just finding those ways to really cultivate and steward, the relationship and to just keep it going in between those formal sessions.

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Dave Tinker: And one of the things that’s currently occurring now obviously is the pandemic and that’s really impacted. Some of the ways that people need

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Dave Tinker: And so one of the things you need to discuss how are you going to meet and know Beth Ann and Lauren both were meeting in person and went to doing virtual meetings and that’s the case of most people

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Dave Tinker: There’s, you know, a handful of places where you can meet in person still sometimes, but you have to meet six feet apart and wearing a mask and

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Dave Tinker: You know, other things like that but you know you’re going to adjust and switch. How are you going to meet and just talk about what’s best for you. Everybody’s a little bit different.

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Dave Tinker: You know, and help each other just, it’s not just on how you meet, but our jobs have changed. You know, people have different expectations. Some people are working from home some can’t work from home.

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Dave Tinker: You know, and you know people change jobs during it, unfortunately, or fortunately, as the case may be. But, you know, there’s a lot of adjustment going on. He can help each other and mentors can help the mentees go through that transition

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Dave Tinker: Discuss uncertainty. I mean, there’s a lot going on and I get asked by my development committee and my some of my senior staff. I work with here.

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Dave Tinker: And my own organization. You know what’s going on fundraising, not just for us as an organization, but what’s going on in the fundraising world.

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Dave Tinker: And so you look at different things and maybe the mentor can share information with the mentee about studies that are going on, you know, whether it’s the fundraising effective

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Dave Tinker: Realized that are members realize that, you know, one of the benefits of going to meetings in person, especially if you’re going to know Association type meeting where it’s a luncheon or a breakfast meeting or even a dinner get together.

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Dave Tinker: Is that when you go to those meetings, often either sit with you know if you have coworkers. I’ve worked in both development offices where I was a soul development person or like where I am now I have a couple people that work with me in my department.

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Dave Tinker: But you may sit down with people you don’t know and that’s how you get to meet people. I always try to sit with at least one person. I don’t know at the table because I wanted to try to

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Dave Tinker: We missed that. So we created something called Perfect Pairings and what it is is people that were willing to spend an hour each month of their time and

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Dave Tinker: That are interested in just meeting virtually and we get to do things that we that we’ve missed out on because we can’t meet in person and sit at tables and chat.

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Dave Tinker: And can’t share a meal together in person anymore. So the first. We’ve only done this for a couple months, but it’s been very successful. The first

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Dave Tinker: Month that we did it. I got paired with somebody that served on the board with me and I’m still on my chapter board has been for a while.

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Dave Tinker: But we knew each other but didn’t know each other really well. So we got to learn a little bit more about each other. But then we start talking about some of the challenges we’re currently experiencing.

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Dave Tinker: She worked at the museum and a cultural institution that hasn’t been able to be open.

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Dave Tinker: And then while I work at a human services to spill the nonprofit. We couldn’t stop her programs because we’re supporting people in the community and in their homes.

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Dave Tinker: And so we talked about that and how things are going with an organization that didn’t have to lay off staff or didn’t have to send everybody home.

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Dave Tinker: Because we couldn’t. So it was interesting. And then the second person I got paired up with with somebody that I hadn’t met before and she’s a newer Member.

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Dave Tinker: But that’s an example of something that we did those very informal there is mentoring involved because you talk about something for a couple of minutes or 10 minutes or 20 minutes and that’s all it is.

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Lisa Chmiola: In both Dave and Kent and several other mentors were very helpful to be again to be a sounding board and to have someone else to talk that through and to

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Dave Tinker: And there are five for this Forbes article also had five set steps for success that we think are important to share this is true, from the beginning of the pandemic. But still, now, now that we’re a while into it.

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Dave Tinker: Have check in conversations don’t just have formal meet for an hour type things, but just call, send an email, send a text. Hey, how’s it going, and just chat for a couple of minutes.

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Dave Tinker: You know, create your to do list. Let it be create an alternative to do list. In this case, but

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Dave Tinker: You know, allow things to be flexible again change things change. You’re not going to be able to reach all the goals that you have. If you’re like me, I’ve had to change some of my fundraising goals.

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Dave Tinker: And in terms of dollars, but also meetings and proposals and other things like that. But make sure that you know you can adjust and make those adjustments perfectly and do good educated guess of what you can do.

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Dave Tinker: You’re not supposed to the mentors not supposed to fix the mentee the mentee isn’t broken

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Dave Tinker: And so the mentor is supposed to be helping that the mentees learn about things and obviously some of that you might not be able to do because you can’t go to meetings together, but you can try to do it virtually but just remember the mentee is a professional too, and they’re not broken.

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Dave Tinker: You know, it’s a pandemic. And that’s, you know, the health care is broken for you know the disease is broken. The way we do a lot of things. It’s not the mentee.

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Dave Tinker: Lower the bar, you know, some of the things. Obviously we go into mentorship. There’s a lot of goals like the mentee has a lot of goals, especially if it’s like a shorter term type thing. But, or even if it’s longer term, you know,

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Dave Tinker: In combined with focus on what’s critical. You can’t necessarily do everything now based on things happening. Everybody’s reacted differently to what’s going on in the pandemic.

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Dave Tinker: You know, do more webinars, because you can. You don’t have to travel to the conference to see it anymore. You can sit and watch it on your laptop or your screen. So just focus on those things. And those steps are going to help you moving forward.

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Lisa Chmiola: Well, speaking of having more time for personal development. These days with things being virtual

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Lisa Chmiola: Just want to highlight a little bit about the difference between working with a mentor or a coach or perhaps you may want to work with both in your career development.

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Lisa Chmiola: And there’s an article that we found in mind tools that touches on this a little bit, but as Dave mentioned earlier, a mentor is typically serving as a volunteer in the role, whether it is within the workplace or within a local

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Lisa Chmiola: Association chapter, whereas a coach is someone that has paid and oftentimes paid directly by the fundraising professional yourself, although some organizations do have

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Lisa Chmiola: Professional development budgets to hire coaches for their development professionals. So definitely look into that and see if that’s a possibility.

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Lisa Chmiola: But looking at the relationship itself a mentor, as we said, typically will guide a mentee along it is ultimately the mentees choice to take a certain path.

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Lisa Chmiola: Whereas a coach will work. More specifically, with a client to map an action path map out the steps.

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Lisa Chmiola: Have follow up from session to session to where there will be in a way homework that you will have to do after the session.

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Lisa Chmiola: Similar to being prepared to meet with your mentor, but it’s a little more intense.

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Lisa Chmiola: And the relationship length can also vary as we have highlighted mentorship relationships might formally last for a year, but often continue for years or decades beyond that.

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Lisa Chmiola: Whereas working with a coach, specifically, you’ll hire that coach for a certain period of time for a certain number of sessions. Maybe you’re working to achieve a specific goal.

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Lisa Chmiola: You want to receive some individualized training on a certain subject area. Maybe you’re navigating a job transition you’re working on getting a promotion you’re working on negotiating a better salary and benefits for yourself.

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Lisa Chmiola: So ultimately, it really depends on you sitting down and thinking what you are trying to achieve in your personal career development and is it the right time to seek a mentor see good coach or maybe to seek out a mentee and serve as a mentor yourself.

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Lisa Chmiola: So just a few last words of advice from Beth and and Laura our case study.

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Lisa Chmiola: Beth and felt that serving as a mentor was just a wonderful way of giving back to strengthen the profession and reminds us that it is a relationship. It is a two way street, and it can offer a lot to both the mentor and the mentee.

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Lisa Chmiola: Well, Laura encourages if you haven’t had a mentor before to absolutely take the plunge. She felt it was the best thing that she could do for her career.

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Lisa Chmiola: And it doesn’t matter. Just as Dave said before, it doesn’t matter where you are in your career age at any point, your career, you feel you’re ready for some growth and some opportunity. It never hurts to learn from others and how you can continue to grow.

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Dave Tinker: And so some of the things we discussed, you know, what is mentorship. We talked about benefits for both the mentor and the mentee.

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Dave Tinker: You know how and where to find a mentor, how to make the best of the relationship both professional and then, you know, hopefully, if you become friends. You know more of a

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Dave Tinker: Friendship, you know, changes and mentoring during the pandemic and how things evolve as well as you know, do you need a mentor. Do you need a coach or do you need both.

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Dave Tinker: You know, we’ve had both great experiences and, you know, speaking on for my own personal experience because I got so much out of the mentorship.

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Dave Tinker: Being a mentee with Bob and really enjoy and others. You know, I really feel like it’s my almost obligation to give back to others that are newer in the field so that they can learn

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Dave Tinker: And be in a place you know and help them advance. You know, I certainly wouldn’t be where I am today without my mentors helping me early on in my career and throughout my career as I’ve progressed, and I’m sure Lisa feels the same way.

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Lisa Chmiola: Yeah, absolutely. Do I it’s just like Dave said it’s that

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Lisa Chmiola: And even thinking back to some of my early mentors. When I was an event based fundraiser. It’s the whole wanting to pay it forward and people were so

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Lisa Chmiola: Willing to reach out and help share their experience and teach me and guide me along that I to have sought opportunities to give back as a mentor and continue that growth.

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Lisa Chmiola: And it’s just I I agree with what Beth Ann said, it’s a great way to continue to grow our industry and to give back to the profession.

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Lisa Chmiola: So before I turn it back over to Steven for question and answer. Just wanted to make sure that you all had our contact information.

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Lisa Chmiola: It we’re open to hearing from you if you have additional questions or if you’re looking for resources, our email addresses are on the screen as well as their social media handles.

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Lisa Chmiola: As we promised. If you go to Fab Lab therapy com slash resources at the very top of the page, you will see hyperlinks to every single resource that we mentioned throughout the articles in the books.

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Lisa Chmiola: And one last reminder, because it’s National Mentoring mentorship month. It is thank your mentor day on January 29 so set a reminder and hashtag thank your mentor in a couple of weeks. Yep.

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Dave Tinker: And Beth and will probably tell you write them a handwritten note so

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Dave Tinker: STEPHEN, STEPHEN I want to answer one class one question come up. I want to address it right away. It was one of the last ones. How do you get more people of color involved in the in the mentoring program. One of the things I think you have to be deliberate

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Dave Tinker: Unfortunately, in fundraising meant the number of people of color of that aren’t Caucasian is not very big, at least in the AFP and groups like AFP are trying to address.

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Dave Tinker: And the grand professional associations, looking at that as well. And I know that from my own experience, but it’s very important.

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Dave Tinker: That you expand your own networks and, you know, one of the things. Somebody told me, and it made a lot of sense.

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Dave Tinker: Is, you know, look at your social media feeds if some if you’re somebody uses a lot of social media. How many people of color.

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Dave Tinker: Do you have in your social media feed, are you expanding your own networks and maybe you’re not and don’t realize it. And that’s a, that’s a, you know,

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Dave Tinker: A subtle bias that you might not know that’s occurring but go out of your way to do that encourage people to get more involved.

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Dave Tinker: You know, I go and speak about one of the things I talk about I’ve gone to schools. I’ve taught a group of refugee teenagers about what fundraising is is a career go search kids search out kids.

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Dave Tinker: In communities that are underrepresented in our profession and show them that, hey, this is a great career. This is something you can do. And I want to help you do that. So do you have any advice, Lisa.

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Lisa Chmiola: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that that definitely covers that I know that when I looked up the applications for the AFP Global Programs. They did ask if people were comfortable to list demographic information because I think they are.

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Lisa Chmiola: Like you had said, trying to be mindful about being more inclusive in reaching out with mentorship programs. So I would agree with that.

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Lisa Chmiola: Be mindful.

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Steven Shattuck: Well, this is great. We’ve got probably 10 minutes, folks. So if you have a burning question. We’ve obviously got

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Steven Shattuck: a wealth of knowledge here, but I want to say a quick things. This was awesome. I so enjoyed just this sitting back and listening to you too. It’s good to see your faces in here voices as well.

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Steven Shattuck: And shout out to Beth and locker, buddy. I wish Bethan would mentor me but spring can take me on it too much. You know, you got me thinking, Lisa. When you were talking about your plan giving mentor.

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Steven Shattuck: Is it okay to have multiple mentors and in different sort of disciplines or fields of study, or does it get to be maybe too much if you kind of stretch yourself too thin. There I

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Lisa Chmiola: Think it depends what you’re trying to achieve at whatever point your career. I think you know like we talked about mentorship relationships. They may take on a more formal

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Lisa Chmiola: Aspect for a certain period of time, but I still consider Dave a mentor and I know actually, we have we’ve had opportunities where I’ve served as the mentor for Dave, you know, on specific subject areas where I’ve been more

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Lisa Chmiola: Experienced and, you know, like I said, I also have the plan, giving mentors that I work with. And depending on the topic area and depending on the advice I may have a shortlist of colleagues that I would go to and ask for their feedback and their opinion on something. So if

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Lisa Chmiola: I have multiple in a more informal way. And I’m not necessarily scheduling meetings with them. Like I would now say, and when I’ve served in some of the formal mentoring programs.

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Lisa Chmiola: Those. I mean, sometimes they might pair a mentor up with multiple mentees. But typically, and Dave. Tell me what you’ve seen kind of in your organization’s but I feel is usually kind of a one one at a time because of that formal aspect because

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Lisa Chmiola: You’re being expected to have meeting once a month type of metrics and those type of things you don’t want to over ask

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Dave Tinker: Yeah, because you’re not. It’s not a formal teaching type of thing. I mean, if the skill set, somebody really wants to be taught, like a class.

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Dave Tinker: I mean, I have seen somebody take on like four or five people because somebody leads, for instance, like a car for a review type of class for people

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Dave Tinker: That are interested in getting a certification and they kind of mentor him through the process. But it takes a couple people to do that and you can have multiple people that are mentors mentees with who’s gone through the program, but that again. That’s more of a teacher, student really

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Dave Tinker: And, you know, really your side by side with the individual

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Dave Tinker: When I worked at the Literacy Council here prior working at Chiba we always work side by side. When we were tutoring students because it wasn’t you don’t sit across from each other. You sit side by side when you’re doing it. And that’s very important because

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Dave Tinker: You know you don’t you’re helping somebody, but they’re equal. As you and you should be on the same side of things.

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Dave Tinker: And it just as a subliminal type of thing. But you were right next to each other, helping each other and it’s not sitting across the table because you’re there’s a there’s a barrier between the two of you and you shouldn’t have that right

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Lisa Chmiola: And interestingly enough, that actually brings up another difference between mentoring and coaching, for example, that we touched on very briefly at the end, whereas someone who is coaching and being hired to coach professors professionals make coach.

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Lisa Chmiola: Several different professionals at the same time on different subjects, but that’s a more limited short term relationships so

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Dave Tinker: Let’s see. Yeah, I see I was mentioned here you know her mentors or people that she doesn’t meet with one on one, but they have a small mastermind group. So it’s for people that meets monthly

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Dave Tinker: That’s a great way to do it while it’s kind of your mentor each other and your mentees with each other. And it’s you’re sharing the skill sets that you have, but also learning from all the others to build up your own skill set, so that’s

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Steven Shattuck: That would take the pressure off and maybe reduce the awkwardness of a one on one. Yeah.

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Steven Shattuck: What’s that I wouldn’t know anything about awkwardness.

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Dave Tinker: You do not have to be a car for you to join it up.

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Lisa Chmiola: And, you know, to that point, you do see a lot more especially now that we’re doing so many things on zoom you are starting to see more of those group type of I know RFP chapter has done several networking type of

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Lisa Chmiola: Activities to where you know sometimes people do bring a question to the table, and it is an unofficial mentor type of situation, so to say, or, you know, I also participate with several other consulting colleagues in a similar type of zoom on a fairly regular basis where

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Lisa Chmiola: things to the table and somebody you know one week. You might be serving in a mentor type of role, giving someone advice and the next week you’re coming in with a question and more of a mentee type of role. So you are starting to see a lot more of that develop

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Steven Shattuck: I love it. There was a question here that I thought was kind of interesting regarding

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Steven Shattuck: Do you think that’s appropriate or a boss would mentor a subordinate, it seems like that would happen naturally and specifically the question asked that if the, the staff is very diverse kind of work both ways where maybe that sort of

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Steven Shattuck: Subordinate person would also serve as a mentor.

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Steven Shattuck: To someone else and leadership. Have you seen that

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Dave Tinker: Anyone I’ve seen. Yeah, I’ve been experienced both where, you know, I’ve tried to mentor people that worked with me.

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Dave Tinker: Le the woman that works with me. It’s new to the profession, about a year now.

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Dave Tinker: And you know she’s somebody we try to mentor, because she wants to do this and I want to make sure she has the ethical skill sets to be able to be a great fundraiser. And she’s doing a very good job at it.

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Dave Tinker: But, you know, you do that and it’s informal. It’s not expected, but it’s something I want to do. Whereas, I’ve had bosses that expect that hired me and said, Okay, you should have the skill set go out and raise money.

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Dave Tinker: Yeah thing and that’s okay too because they you know they they want to focus on the dollars because that’s what the board or the board at the time was

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Dave Tinker: More interested in focusing on dollars and the professional development of the staff, you have and it’s some of it is the culture within the organization.

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Dave Tinker: But you know. Personally, I would love to help others whether younger older as I know they can help me as well so

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Lisa Chmiola: I would say the same I i’ve definitely mentored employees in the past, and especially when they are

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Lisa Chmiola: In fairly new to the industry or new to that type of fundraising and to see them continue on in the industry and a roll today that’s that’s definitely

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Lisa Chmiola: It feels good to see that they took what we may have worked through initially and then continue to grow and learn and build beyond the time where I’m able to provide that direct impact.

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Steven Shattuck: I love it. We say, you mentioned zoom and Dave, you mentioned LinkedIn. I think a couple of times, you know, it’s a pandemic.

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Steven Shattuck: And everything you said about events is great. And I’m sure we’ll get back to that. But for now, is it, you know, reaching out to people on LinkedIn kind of cold or creeping on their Twitter like maybe some of us have been

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Dave Tinker: Can I mean, you know, again, you’re not going to go out and say, Hey, you know, you know, I want you to be my mentor, but

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Dave Tinker: Research, what skills. They have or background they have. I mean, that’s certainly a way to do it is to go through their social media to see

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Dave Tinker: What they what they post like LinkedIn obviously gives you professional background and depending how much somebody has explained on their profile.

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Dave Tinker: You can see you know that they have a live experience or they don’t have experience in the field that you’re interested in.

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Dave Tinker: Whereas other social media like Twitter. Twitter’s great. You can see what people talk about mean I talk a lot about fundraising.

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Dave Tinker: And grants, but I also love talking about sports and I talked to my kids and my alma mater. And so you get to see a different flavor of what people are interested in

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Dave Tinker: And it may be that that person has no interest that similar interest of what you’re interested in. So

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Dave Tinker: You know, I had one person that got me. I got matched with its mentoring. I met with for a couple years. He was a program officer, but it was

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Dave Tinker: Not in the fundraising side really he did more program and administrative type stuff.

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Dave Tinker: But he was really interested more in the tech background and I have a degree in technology and it. So that’s the reason why I got matched up with them.

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Dave Tinker: But just, you know, it doesn’t have to be fundraising. It can be any part of nonprofit management, you can talk to people in the organization about you want to learn more about how finances work you want to learn more about how to work with your board, you know, stuff like that. Yeah.

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Lisa Chmiola: No, that’s a great point because if somebody went looked at my LinkedIn profile, they would see that my careers were in journalism and public relations.

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Lisa Chmiola: So one of the non profit communications may want to link and network with me for that reason. So the laugh when you were talking a little bit about Twitter. It’s like if someone came to my Twitter at that you would see the hashtag NOLA Twitter shenanigans.

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Lisa Chmiola: Lot of fun in New Orleans with the Twitter community where

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Lisa Chmiola: We’re grieving the loss of carnival grow this year, having to be a little different but

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Lisa Chmiola: Yeah, we have one

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Dave Tinker: Okay. There’s a question here that Alice asked, you know, David hip have a mentoring relationship that didn’t work.

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Dave Tinker: For you and you don’t have to name names which we

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Won’t

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Dave Tinker: I think I had, I had one at one point. And it was actually a formal match, he never got back to me. I tried setting up meetings that we could meet. He never went back to me. And then when he did get back to me like closer to the end of the year.

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Dave Tinker: You know, he wanted a lot of things all at once. And I said, Well, what happened to the past nine months when he didn’t respond. It was just odd. So that didn’t really work out.

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Dave Tinker: And sometimes you know you get people that want you to not just teach them about how the do different things they want you to do it for them so

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Dave Tinker: You’re not mentoring somebody so you can be their consultant, you know. You don’t know and I’m not writing your direct mail I can show you. You know how to how to put direct mail together, but I’m not going to write your, your work for you.

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So,

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Dave Tinker: Make

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Lisa Chmiola: Sure that that I would say that the experience I had

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Lisa Chmiola: experiences I’ve had that maybe didn’t work as well as the others also happened to be more formal situations to where

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Lisa Chmiola: The mentee didn’t necessarily follow up as much as they should, or just kind of did the bare minimum of what was required of the program and so

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Lisa Chmiola: That didn’t it felt like maybe they didn’t take full advantage of the opportunity to learn experience.

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Lisa Chmiola: So I would say that, going back to what we had said earlier about, you know, doing your homework and realizing that you have access to more experienced professional for a short period time in a formal program. So take advantage of that.

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Dave Tinker: And there’s one question I think we might have time for one more somebody’s interested in moving abroad and they’d love to find a mentor in the new country where they’re going to be

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Dave Tinker: And you know if they can find insight. One of the things that mean you can look and see

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Dave Tinker: Depending on the country in the answer mentioned which country it was. And that’s fine. Every country seems to have their own fundraising professional association AFP happens to be in several countries like Canada and the US, primarily, but there were in Bermuda at Egypt Southeast Asia.

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Dave Tinker: And but there are other associations, just like it you can reach out to them and ask, but one of the things you need to think about those the cultural differences.

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Dave Tinker: Every culture has has a different take on fundraising and even here. I mean doing work with with Ghostbusters. I have, you know,

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Dave Tinker: Done some fundraising and consulting with the Hopi nation, which is a Native American or First Nations. If you’re Canadian on and they have a different take on fundraising. It’s not that different. But it’s different enough. You need to know the differences in in how things change.

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Dave Tinker: And, but, you know, again, look, reach out if there’s a professional association that might AFP AFP partners with other ones.

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Dave Tinker: And that’s great with other associations, but go ahead and reach out and maybe you do know somebody that’s

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Dave Tinker: In another country, or maybe reach out to somebody that has a connection. And that’s where LinkedIn would work. You can find somebody that’s, you know, from series in Israel knees on our call. So if you’re going to Israel and you want to find out reach out to me, he will tell you.

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Dave Tinker: And or he’ll tell you who you should talk to

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Dave Tinker: And it’s been it’s been great.

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Steven Shattuck: So speaking of band being great. This has been great. Thank you both for doing this has been a lot of fun.

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Dave Tinker: And thank you so much for having us.

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Steven Shattuck: You know we got their contact info reach out there, you know, follow them on Twitter, you’ll get that good New Orleans and pittsburgh steelers chat as well, but also some good fundraising advice and

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Steven Shattuck: Yeah, this is great to have all of you join us for an hour. I know it’s a busy time of year, you’re just getting started in the new year by doing gift acknowledgments, and

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Steven Shattuck: Year and stuff. So thank you for tuning in. We’ve got a great webinar coming up, same time, same place next Thursday 2PM Eastern storytelling. We’ve got a couple of

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Steven Shattuck: super smart people, Rachel, and Jared both of them have done webinars for us. Jarrett

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Steven Shattuck: Is awesome. His, His brain operates at like a level that I’m constantly trying to catch up to him and Rachel has been doing this stuff for her whole career.

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Steven Shattuck: That’s going to be a fun one. We’ve had them both separately, but where they’re going to tag team that like Lisa and David today. So check that out.

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Steven Shattuck: One week from today. Next week 2PM Eastern totally free. If you can’t make it. Or maybe you’re not interested in that topic that’s okay we got lots of other sessions coming up.

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Steven Shattuck: All throughout the year. I think we’re booked through September something ridiculous like that. So, check us out. We love having you on these webinars.

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Steven Shattuck: And and we’re going to keep going with it, but we’ll call it a day. There, look for an email from me with the recording and the slides. Reach out to these two and go get a mentor, be a mentor, probably most importantly. Because, because, because we definitely needed out there.

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Steven Shattuck: But we’ll call it a day. So, have a good rest of your Thursday. Have a good weekend. Stay safe, stay healthy. Please, we need you all out there. And hopefully we’ll see you again next week. Bye now. See you guys.

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